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If you are a nerd and lonely, apply your nerd powers to social skills. Rational optimization works for pretty much everything, including how to get along with people

2/13/2025

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It certainly worked for me.

When I was 20 I was very lonely.
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So lonely it was causing mild depression, though it took me many years and spreadsheets to discover this

When I realized that I wanted more friends and to get along better with people, I set as a goal that I wanted to be able to invite 10 people to my birthday the following year

14 years later I'm an extrovert who's learned she doesn't like parties, but I could invite hundreds to my party.

And a sort of person who can land in Rwanda and not know a single soul and immediately make friends and form connections with people around me 

And this wasn't magic 

I just applied nerd skills to socializing 

I read books. 

I talked to people who are more skills than me and peppered them with questions. 

I did deliberate practice. 

I did a lot of trial and a lot of error. 

It took a lot of effort and time, and some places are a lot easier to make friends than others. For example, I come from the West Coast of Canada, and people are a lot more standoffish than say, San Juan, where it's hard not to make friends with anybody you meet. 

But work with what you have. 

Put the effort into finding friends that you would put into finding a good relationship. It's similarly important for your happiness. 

And just like with relationships, it's better to be proactive instead of just waiting and hoping that somebody approaches you who is good

Social skills resources that I liked:
  • The Zen of Listening
  • Crucial Conversations
  • How to Have Impossible Conversations by Peter Boghossian
  • Charisma on Command (YouTube channel)
  • How to Win Friends and Influence People
  • Love Your Enemies by Arthur C Brooks
  • Loving kindness practice, directed towards yourself and towards potential friends. Good for getting yourself into a good state of mind and also for not being too hard on yourself

​But everybody will need different books and ideas. Some need to learn to listen more and better. Others need to learn to speak more. Some need different advice entirely]​

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What's a Minimum Viable Coup?

2/13/2025

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"Minimum Viable Coup" is my new favorite concept.
From Dwarkesh interviewing Paul Christiano, asking "what's the minimum capabilities needed for a superintelligent AI to overthrow the government?"

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Steelman Solitaire: How Self-Debate in Workflowy/Roam Beats Freestyle Thinking

2/13/2025

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​I have a tool for thinking that I call “steelman solitaire”. I have found that it comes to much better conclusions than doing “free-style” thinking, so I thought I should share it with more people. 

In summary, it consists of arguing with yourself in the program Workflowy/Roam/any infinitely-nesting-bullet-points software, alternating between writing a steelman of an argument, a steelman of a counter-argument, a steelman of a counter-counter-argument, etc. 

In this post I’ll first list the benefits, then explain the broad steps, and finally, go into more depth on how to do it.

Benefits

  1. Structure forces you to do the thing you know you should do anyway. Most people reading this already know that it’s important to consider the best arguments on all sides instead of just considering the weakest on the other. Many already know that you can’t just consider a counter-argument then consider yourself done. However, it’s easy to forget to do so. The structure of this method makes you much more likely to follow through with your existing rational aspirations.
  2. Clarifies thinking. I’m sure everybody has experienced a discussion that’s gone all over the place, and by the end, you’re more confused than when you started. Some points get lost and forgotten while others dominate. This approach helps to organize and clarify your thinking, revealing holes and strengths in different lines of thought.
  3. More likely to change your mind. As much as we aspire not to, most people, even the most competent rationalists, will often become entrenched in a position due to the nature of conversations. In steelman solitaire, there’s no other person to lose face to or to hurt your feelings. This often makes it more likely to change your mind than a lot of other methods.
  4. Makes you think much more deeply than usual. A common feature of people I would describe as “deep thinkers” is that they’ve often already thought of my counter-argument, and the counter-counter-counter-etc-argument. This method will make you really dig deep into an issue.
  5. Dealing with steelmen that are compelling to you. A problem with a lot of debates is that what is convincing to the other person isn’t convincing to you, even though there are actually good arguments out there. This method allows you to think of those reasons instead of getting caught up with what another person thinks should convince you.
  6. You can look back at why you came to the belief you have. Like most intellectually-oriented people, I have a lot of opinions. Sometimes so many that I forget why I came to hold them in the first place (but I vaguely remember that it was a good reason, I’m sure). Writing things down can help you refer back to them later and re-evaluate.
  7. Better at coming to the truth than most methods. For the above reasons, I think that this method makes you more likely to come to accurate beliefs.

The broad idea

Strawmanning means presenting the opposing view in the least charitable light – often so uncharitably that it does not resemble the view that the other side actually holds. The term of steelmanning was invented as a counter to this; it means taking the opposing view and trying to present it in its strongest form. This has sometimes been criticized because often the alternative belief proposed by a steelman also isn’t what the other people actually believe. For example, there’s a steelman argument that states that the reason organic food is good is that monopolies are generally bad and Monsanto having a monopoly on food could lead to disastrous consequences. This might indeed be a belief held by some people who are pro-organic, but a huge percentage of people are just falling prey to the naturalistic fallacy. 

While steelmanning may not be perfect for understanding people’s true reasons for believing propositions, it is very good for coming to more accurate beliefs yourself. If the reason you believe you don’t have to care about buying organic is that you believe that people only buy organic because of the naturalistic fallacy, you might be missing out on the fact that there’s a good reason for you to buy organic because you think monopolies on food are dangerous.

However – and this is where steelmanning back and forth comes in – what if buying organic doesn’t necessarily lead to breaking the monopoly? Maybe upon further investigation, Monsanto doesn’t have a monopoly. Or maybe multiple organizations have copyrighted different gene edits, so there’s no true monopoly.

The idea behind steelman solitaire is to not stop at steelmanning the opposing view. It’s to steelman the counter-counter-argument as well. As has been said by more eloquent people than myself, you can’t consider an argument and counter-argument and consider yourself a virtuous rationalist. There are very long chains of counter^x arguments, and you want to consider the steelman of each of them. Don’t pick any side in advance. Just commit to trying to find the true answer. 

This is all well and good in principle but can be challenging to keep organized. This is where Workflowy or Roam comes in. Workflowy allows you to have counter-arguments nested under arguments, counter-counter-arguments nested under counter-arguments, and so forth. That way you can zoom in and out and focus on one particular line of reasoning, realize you’ve gone so deep you’ve lost the forest for the trees, zoom out, and realize what triggered the consideration in the first place. It also allows you to quickly look at the main arguments for and against. Here’s a worked example for a question.

 Tips and tricks
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That’s the broad-strokes explanation of the method. Below, I’ll list a few pointers that I follow, though please do experiment and tweak. This is by no means a final product.  
  1. Name your arguments. Instead of just saying “we should buy organic because Monsanto is forming a monopoly and monopolies can lead to abuses of power”, call it “monopoly argument” in bold at the front of the bullet point then write the full argument in normal font. Naming arguments condenses the argument and gives you more cognitive workspace to play around with. It also allows you to see your arguments from a bird’s eye view.
  2. Insult yourself sometimes. I usually (always) make fun of myself or my arguments while using this technique, just because it’s funny. Making your deep thinking more enjoyable makes you more likely to do it instead of putting it off forever, much like including a jelly bean in your vitamin regimen to incentivize you to take that giant gross pill you know you should take.
  3. Mark arguments as resolved as they become resolved. If you dive deep into an argument and come to the conclusion that it’s not compelling, then mark it clearly as done. I write “rsv” at the beginning of the entry to remind me, but you can use anything that will remind you that you’re no longer concerned with that argument. Follow up with a little note at the beginning of the thread giving either a short explanation detailing why it’s ruled out, or, ideally, just the named argument that beat it.
  4. Prioritize ruling out arguments. This is a good general approach to life and one we use in our research at Charity Entrepreneurship. Try to find out as soon as possible whether something isn’t going to work. Take a moment when you’re thinking of arguments to think of the angles that are most likely to destroy something quickly, then prioritize investigating those. That will allow you to get through more arguments faster, and thus, come to more correct conclusions over your lifetime.
  5. Start with the trigger. Start with a section where you describe what triggered the thought. This can often help you get to the true question you’re trying to answer. A huge trick to coming to correct conclusions is asking the right questions in the first place.
  6. Use in spreadsheet decision-making. If you’re using the spreadsheet decision-making system, then you can play steelman solitaire to help you fill in the cells comparing different options.
  7. Use for decisions and problem-solving generally. This method can be used for claims about how the universe is, but it can also be applied to decision-making and problem-solving generally. Just start with a problem statement or decision you’re contemplating, make a list of possible solutions, then play steelman solitaire on those options.

Conclusion

In summary, steelman solitaire means steelmanning arguments back and forth repeatedly. It helps with:
  • Coming to more correct beliefs
  • Getting out of unproductive conversations
  • Making sure you do epistemically virtuous things that you already know you should do
The method to follow is to make a claim, make a steelman against that claim, then a steelman against that claim, and on and on until you can’t anymore or are convinced one way or the other.

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I really hope AIs aren't conscious

2/13/2025

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​If they're not conscious, we still have to worry about instrumental convergence. Viruses are dangerous even if they're not conscious.

But if they are conscious, we have to worry that we are monstrous slaveholders causing Black Mirror nightmares for the sake of drafting emails to sell widgets.

Of course, they might not care about being turned off. But there's already empirical evidence of them spontaneously developing self-preservation goals (because you can't achieve your goals if you're turned off).

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How to deal with haters online

2/8/2025

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I recently faced a series of public attacks and it hurt a lot. 

Here’s what I did to feel better and get back on my feet. 
  1. Check and see if attacks are justified. If so, problem solve and apologize. 
  2. Systematically try different emotional problem-solving techniques until something works. In my case that ended up being:
  • Problem-solving
  • Loving-kindness practice directed towards myself
  • Tapping

First I checked to see if the attacks were justified and if there was anything I could do to improve. 

It’s important to follow this step, because nobody’s perfect and if you’re doing something wrong, it’s better to acknowledge and course correct, rather than insisting that the people attacking you are just dumb and bad. Even if they say something in an unnecessarily hurtful way, don’t let that stop you from learning and improving. 

In this case, one of the cases was a justified attack, another was not. 

For the justified attack, I spent time problem-solving and issued a public apology and explanation of how I was going to do better. This got a lot of positive feedback and also made me feel a lot better. It feels awful to have gone against your values. Sincere apologies can be really healing. 

For the unjustified attack, that was a little harder. It led to real life consequences that will likely permanently affect my ability to do my work. This was harder to deal with. 

At first I tried to just take some time off, which did make me feel happier in the moment. However, when I came back to work, the problem was still there, and so I went straight back to feeling awful. Whenever I thought about work, I’d feel anxious and sad, then retreat to some distraction. 
I tried talking to my friends about it, which was nice, but didn’t fix it.

I tried reframing the issue (e.g. I’ll still have lots of impact, I should expect setbacks, advocates in the past used to suffer mob mobs, not just internet mobs, etc). I believed all of these in a certain way, but it didn’t fix the feelings of sadness and hopelessness. 

I tried pushing through it and hoping that time would just heal all wounds. 

But even if I could push through some waves of sadness, eventually one would knock me off course. 

I tried stoic practices. I compared my situation to people who had worse off situations or situations in the past that were much worse for myself. I tried dismissing public opinion. 

I tried reading a biography of an advocate who went through much worse than I did (Frederick Douglass). It was informative but did not help solve the emotions 

I tried gratitude journaling. 

I tried listening to motivational music and getting into a “shoulders back, stiffen your spine, get back in the ring” mindset.

I systematically kept trying different techniques until I found something that worked. Which is actually the general practice that everybody should do when they are feeling bad and it doesn't go away naturally.

Eventually the things that got me out of the funk were three-fold:
  • Actual problem-solving. 
I came up with a partial solution to the problem. Things are still worse than if the public attack hadn’t happened, but I took some steps to make things better. 
Sometimes you’re unhappy because of actually bad things in the world. Sometimes your feelings of sadness or anxiety are pointing you towards the problem you should work on solving. 
  • Loving-kindness practice directed towards myself
The specific techniques I used were:
  1. Hands on heart (I find the physical gesture helps both generate the emotion and also helps you stay focused)
  2. Imagining being Dumbledore and how he feels towards Harry, even when Harry is being attacked by the press and Harry’s not handling it well. Once that feeling is generated, directing it towards myself
  3. Feeling a wave of sadness, then visualizing giving that feeling a loving hug
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  • Tapping
Tapping is a lesser known happiness technique that I’ve had a lot of success with. 

Here’s quick instructions on how to do it  . They say it’s about “meridians” and what not, but I just ignore that. I feel *immediate* benefits and that’s all the evidence I need.

Tips on how to do it: In my experience, positive emotions can arise within two seconds of tapping the correct spot. The effective tapping locations seem to vary between individuals. Some spots may consistently yield no response and can be omitted from your practice. 

For effective spots, it may be necessary to adjust the tapping location slightly (for example, by moving about a centimeter) until the desired effect is achieved. The optimal spot may shift subtly, and on some days, tapping might not work at all. If a spot has not produced a positive response after at least five attempts, consider discontinuing its use. 

If results are inconsistent, experiment with nearby areas but refrain from prolonged use on days when the technique is ineffective.

I did loving-kindness practice and tapping for about 30 minutes. 

I felt healing while I was doing it. Then, when I came back to the real world, I hit a small unrelated obstacle and immediately felt terrible again. 

However, something had shifted. I felt better and better throughout the day, still with waves of sadness, but the waves were diminishing in intensity and frequency. 

By the next day, I was back to normal. I did another self-loving-kindness and tapping session, just to be sure, but otherwise, I was back at it. 
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Of course, different advice will work for different people. I most recommend the underlying strategy: systematically keep trying different methods until you find something that works.

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How to solve virtually all emotional problems: keep trying different strategies until you find one that works

2/7/2025

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I say this a bit tongue in cheek but it is also accurate 

The problem with most people is they usually try just one or two things and then give up. 

That, or they just try to do more of the technique that is not working (E.g. just meditate more, just exercise more, just avoid the problem more) 

If you keep trying eventually one of them will work. 
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There are a bajillion different things you can try, but here is a list of things that might help:
  • Therapy (including trying different therapists that specialize in the modalities listed below)
  • CBT 
  • IFS 
  • ACT 
  • Meditattion
  • Lovingkindness practice
  • Improve your sleep
  • Exercise
  • Socialize more 
  • Improve your nutrition 
  • Psychiatric medication 
  • Change your environment 
  • Solve the underlying problem 
  • Check your blood for deficiencies 
  • Journaling 
  • Gratitude practice 
  • Exposure therapy 
  • Psychedelics 
  • Tapping 
  • Hypnotherapy 
  • Challenging limiting beliefs 
  • Life review and reminiscence therapy 
  • Psychology workbooks 
  • Defusion techniques
  • Stoicism
  • Breathwork
  • Acts of kindness
  • Art therapy
  • Mantra meditation 
  • Forest bathing

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Treating depression with ketamine may be effective but it also has the risk of addiction

2/7/2025

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I've met a couple of people now who became addicted to ketamine after taking it for depression and it's ruined their lives. 

Not saying don't ever take ketamine for depression. 

But consider not taking it if you know you have addictive tendencies. 

Or only take it in a context where it would be hard to become addicted to it (e.g. have a strict rule of only doing it in therapeutic settings. Never do self-guided or buy it on your own, etc)

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Lessons I learned from Frederick Douglass, abolitionist.

2/7/2025

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  1. Expect in-fighting 
  2. Expect mobs
  3. Diversify your comms strategies 
  4. Develop a thick skin 
  5. Be a pragmatist 
  6. Expect imperfection

  • The umpteenth book about a moral hero I’ve read where there’s constant scandal-mongering about him and how often his most persistent enemies are people on his own side.

He had a falling out with one abolitionist leader and faction, who then spent time and money spreading rumors about him and posting flyers around each town in his lecture circuit, calling him a fraud.
Usually this was over what in retrospect seems really trivial things, and surely they could have still worked together or at least peacefully pursue separate strategies (e.g. should they prioritize legal reform or changing public opinion? Did one activist cheat on his wife with a colleague?)

Reading his biography, it's unclear who attacked him more: the slave owners or his fellow abolitionists. 

In-fighting is part of every single movement I’ve ever read about. EA and AI safety are not special in that regard.

“I am not at all surprised when some of those for whom I have lived and labored lift their heels against me. Since the days of Moses such has been the fate of all men earnestly endeavouring to serve the oppressed and unfortunate.”

  • He didn’t face internet mobs. He faced actual mobs. Violent ones.

It doesn’t mean internet mobs aren’t also terrible to deal with, but it reminds me to feel grateful for our current state.

If you do advocacy nowadays, you must fear character assassination, but rarely physical assassination (at least in democratic rich countries).

  • “The time had passed for arcane argument. His Scottish audiences liked a vaguer kind of eloquence”

Quote from the book where some other abolitionists thought he was bad for the movement because he wasn’t arguing about obscure Constitutional law and was instead trying to appeal to a larger audience with vaguer messages.

Reminds me of the debates over AI safety comms, where some people want things to be precise and dry and maximally credible to academics, and other people want to appeal to a larger audience using emotions, metaphor, and not getting into arcane details

  • He was famous for making people laugh and cry in his speeches

Emphasizes that humor is a way to spread your message. People are more likely to listen if you mix in laugher with getting them to look at the darkness.

  • He considered it a duty to hope.

He was a leader, and he knew that without hope, people wouldn’t fight.

  • He was ahead of his times but also a product of his times

He was ahead of the curve on women’s rights, which is no small feat in the 1800s.

But he was also a temperance advocate, being against alcohol. And he really hated Catholics.

It’s a good reminder to be humble about your ethical beliefs. If you spend a lot of time thinking about ethics and putting it into practice, you’ll likely be ahead of your time in some ways. But you’ll also probably be wrong about some things.

Remember - the road to hell isn’t paved with good intentions. 
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It’s paved with overconfident intentions.

  • Moral suasionist is a word, and I love it

Moral suasion is a persuasive technique that uses rhetorical appeals and persuasion to change a person or group's behavior. It's a non-coercive way to influence people to act in a certain way.

  • He struggled with the constant attacks, both from his opponents and his own side, but he learned to deal with it with hope and optimism

Loved this excerpt: Treated as a “deserter from the fold,” he nevertheless, or so he claimed, let his colleagues “search me and probe me to the bottom.” Facing what he considered outright lies, he stood firm against the hailstorm of “side blows, innuendo, dark suspicions, such as avarice, faithlessness, treachery, ingratitude and what not.” Whistling in the graveyard, he assured Smith proudly that he felt “strengthened to bear it without perturbation.”

And this line: “Turning affliction into hope, however many friends he might lose“

  • He was a pragmatist. He would work with anybody if they helped him abolish slavery.

“I would unite with anybody to do right,” he said, “and with nobody to do wrong.”

“I contend that I have a right to cooperate with anybody with everybody for the overthrow of slavery”

“Stop seeking purity, he told his critics among radicals, and start with what is possible”

  • He was not morally perfect. I have yet to find a moral hero who was

He cheated on his wife. He was racist (against the Irish and Native Americans), prejudiced against Catholics, and overly sensitive to perceived slights.

And yet, he is a moral hero nevertheless.

Don’t expect perfection from anybody, including yourself. Practice the virtues of understanding and forgiveness, and we’re all better off.
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  • The physical copy of this biography is perhaps the best feeling book I’ve ever owned

​Not a lesson learned really, but had to be said.

Seriously, the book has a gorgeous cover, has the cool roughcut edges of the pages, has a properly serious looking “Winner of Pullitzer Prize” award on the front, feels just the right level of heavy, and is just the most satisfying weighty tome.

Referring to the hardcover edition of David W Blight’s biography.

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People keep talking about how life will be meaningless without jobs, but we already know that this isn't true. It's called the aristocracy. There are much worse things to be concerned about with AI

2/6/2025

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​We had a whole class of people for ages who had nothing to do but hangout with people and attend parties. Just read any Jane Austen novel to get a sense of what it's like to live in a world with no jobs.

Only a small fraction of people, given complete freedom from jobs, went on to do science or create something big and important.

Most people just want to lounge about and play games, watch plays, and attend parties.

They are not filled with angst around not having a job.

In fact, they consider a job to be a gross and terrible thing that you only do if you must, and then, usually, you must minimize.

Our society has just conditioned us to think that jobs are a source of meaning and importance because, well, for one thing, it makes us happier.

We have to work, so it's better for our mental health to think it's somehow good for us.

And for two, we need money for survival, and so jobs do indeed make us happier by bringing in money.

Massive job loss from AI will not by default lead to us leading Jane Austen lives of leisure, but more like Great Depression lives of destitution.

We are not immune to that.

Us having enough is incredibly recent and rare, historically and globally speaking.

Remember that approximately 1 in 4 people don't have access to something as basic as clean drinking water.

You are not special.

You could become one of those people.

You could not have enough to eat.

So AIs causing mass unemployment is indeed quite bad.

But it's because it will cause mass poverty and civil unrest. Not because it will cause a lack of meaning.

(Of course I'm more worried about extinction risk and s-risks. But I am more than capable of worrying about multiple things at once)

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I once befriended a crow

1/31/2025

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I once befriended a crow

I trained him to come when called and he’d follow me around the neighborhood.

But then one day . . .  there were two of him. 

And I realized. . . 

I’m totally speciesist about crows! I can’t tell them apart at all! 

So it’s more correct to say “I once befriended some number of crows” 

I had originally wanted to train the local sparrows and robins to come when I sang, cause I thought that would be a really interesting party trick. 

Turns out crows are smarter than sparrows, so they cottoned on faster that if I made a certain call, they'd get food.

So instead of looking like a Disney princess, I ended up looking like a witch.

Which, you know, honestly, I don't totally mind.

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